Response to Nathan Moon of Anabaptist Apologist, Another Heretic & Daniel Jay Bjorndahl Channel

I would like to make clear our viewpoints since both Chad and I were referenced in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgMV8-BxID4) as slanderers by Nathan Moon. 

Summarizing, Nathan basically said that Chad and I slandered him by saying/implying that there are devils leading or indwelling him, Daniel or Doug Del Tondo with regard to what they are preaching: that Jesus is only a man, and not God.  

You can see our video where we argue from scripture after scripture that Jesus indeed is God here (though He is NOT the Father, nor the Holy Spirit, see John 14-16): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvGudlgXaKU&t=1s. I haven't watched our video again in at least a few weeks, but I will say it is indeed highly probable that we did in fact say that to teach that Jesus is only a man is demonic and that the people who do so are demonized. 

In fact, I feel sure we've said so in multiple videos/livestreams.

But if it wasn't clearly stated before, I'll clarify now: to teach Jesus is something He is not is DEMONIC, from the "father of lies" and those who do so are demonized.

It only stands to reason that when two groups are saying the exact opposite "truths" about a doctrinal matter that this means that one group is telling the truth and the other is lying (or both are lying in different shades of lie, but both can't be telling the truth at the same time).  

One thing is for sure, in this particular case both the "Bjorndahl group" and us cannot be telling the Truth simultaneously: Jesus is either just a man, or He is God.  There's no in between on what either group is saying.

And the group who is lying, by default, is hearing from the father of lies, Satan himself:

"...When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44).

So it only stands to reason that a believer and teacher of lies is being led of demons.  

If the Bjorndahl Group really thinks what we've taught about Jesus being God is untrue, then by default, in their view, we would be the ones teaching a satanically derived doctrine.   

Satan and his demons are where lying doctrines come from, NOT from the Holy Spirit of Truth.  

This particular argument regarding Jesus' "status" is not as easy as an "agree to disagree" situation.  We're not in a subjective debate over whether tea tastes better than coffee.  

For us, the idea of Jesus' manhood or Godhood is a life and death, salvation issue.  

But this group appears to promote that even when disagreement exists we should just get along and support one another, especially since we should rally around the truth that Paul is a false apostle.  This one issue alone should be enough to bind us together, right?  

And yet I hear the Father asking this question in response in Amos 3:3, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" 

Such a weighty matter as Jesus' "status" is not one to be taken lightly.  Lowering Him to a simple man-prophet (as does the Quran, ironically), causes people to believe an untruth about Jesus and thereby changes Him to something He's not in their own hearts and minds.  

Jesus is the Truth, how can we believe lies about Him and still follow Him?  

If Chad and I believe wrongly, as they would say we do, that Jesus is God, then how can we follow Jesus when according to them we believe a lie about Him?

It is not possible to follow a lie and still follow the Truth/Jesus.

For us, they and all those who say Jesus is only a man, we say that they have created a counterfeit Jesus, which is NOT JESUS. So while they baited you with truth about Paul, they then lied to you about Jesus and have created yet another false Jesus to insert among the pantheon of other false Jesuses that Satan has manufactured and pushed over the last two millennia.

Could it be that by trying to unify those of us who see through Paul, even though we disagree about other very important doctrines, this is a means by which to find cover to teach lies about other doctrines?  A tactic to slip in and insert those false doctrines while making themselves victims when the "sheep dogs" Jesus has on duty call them out for the wolves they are?

This is a very clever double-bind that false prophets love to use to lock others up and silence them.  It's essentially them saying, "You're not nice to keep calling us out so you must be wrong and we rebuke you for that!” 

This is a narcissists’ ploy to play the victim and make you look like a lying abuser.  Cry fowl and say its slander when the lie/fault is pointed out, thereby getting the opponent to shut up, but do nothing to answer the points.  Perhaps they would even try to report us to the hosting platforms in hopes to get us removed?  If they do that, you know you have a false prophet.

Nathan, however, says he will answer our video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvGudlgXaKU&t=1s ) line by line.  We look forward to it.  Is it going to be another Nathan Moon free-for-all where his spiritual scissors cut deep into the words of the the Prophets, the Apostles Matthew and John, and especially those of Jesus, as Nathan has also done with his claims that Jesus was a vegetarian and all animal sacrifice and eating of animals anywhere in the Bible were planted scriptures?  (More on that below).

You can watch here toward the end of Nathan's discussion with Daniel ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgMV8-BxID4 ) that Daniel tries to say that while he disagrees with me doctrinally (this saddens me to no end due to the seriousness of these doctrinal differences) that the music on my channel was still edifying and uplifting and that he recommended it.  

Nathan's demeanor changed quite a bit as Daniel said that.  He was smarting at our earlier rebukes and now he can't manipulate any more with his red herring false doctrines. He simply wants a place to preach his doctrinal error without being called to account.  

We have not recently commented (in their comment sections) on their channels about anything they've said regarding their doctrines.  We don't really watch at this point because we know we don't agree.  There's no point, but as with those guys I'm assuming, we only find out what they're saying when subscribers let us know, then we will research and give our take.  

Or, like in December, Chad was on a Facebook group when several people popped up, including Daniel, to say Chad was wrong that Jesus is God.

So, we had to respond to "Jesus is Only a Man," and "Hebrew names only" is definitely a subject I am passionate about refuting, though I don't know how they all feel about it, but I think they lean in the direction of using Hebrew names (which I have nothing against, only that they shouldn't push it on others or think it gets them any extra spiritual favor, power or "street cred" with the Father). 

Nevertheless, Nathan can't hide now behind the candy coating of the sweet "unifying" veneer he tries to put off. For us, this is way too serious of a doctrinal error in which he is trying to lead others to allow ourselves to be quiet and hold back from telling the truth about what's happening.

I will say that at least Daniel was trying to do what they say they espouse and build a bridge of sorts with regard to the music, but I would say to Daniel, if you really think we are teaching lies about the nature of the Father and His Son then you should preach that "from the housetops" and not direct people to us in any way so as to protect the flock from what you believe are lies and untruths coming from us, (though we obviously refute that we are teaching lies).  

I wouldn’t send any one to Nathan for his music any more than his preaching.  And, Daniel, If you believe I’m a liar and a narcissist myself and preaching some Catholic trinity doctrine (when I can't stand Catholicism, as you well know), when to the contrary I am teaching from Jesus' own Words in John and Revelation, that HE IS GOD (as well are The Father and The Holy Spirit), then by all means, don’t send anyone to our channel or our music.  Be strong in your convictions.  If you think we are teaching a lie, say so, and warn others about us.

So there is no way to unify these two groups when the disagreement on what is the Truth about such an important matter is so great.  There truly is no way to bridge the doctrinal gaps between the Bjorndahl group and JesusNotPaul/Acts when we are further apart than the two sides of the Grand Canyon.  

Jesus said the Comforter would be sent to lead us in all Truth (John 16:12).  

Finding the Truth is truly what this walk is about.  

If you're reading this, you are responsible, as the king and priest (Revelation 1:6, 5:10) of the temple the Father has given you, FOR YOUR OWN WALK AND FOR FINDING THE TRUTH.  

Doug, Chad, Daniel, Doug DT, Nathan, none of us need to be between you and the Father.   You can hear what other people preach and say, but YOU NEED TO DIVE DEEP FOR YOURSELF because, as Jesus warned, there are many false prophets out there, even in our Bibles in the form of Acts, Paul and pseudo-Peter, but there are also false prophets among those of us calling out Paul who are saying completely contradictory things from each other.

Satan must try to capture those who are seeing the truth about the false Apostle Paul and who ascribe to keeping the Commandments, because we are the only ones with any real power against his demonic kingdom (John 14-16).  You can readily observe that in any war capturing and destroying the soldiers of the other side is paramount.  This is what I deem Nathan is being used to do on Satan's behalf, whether he knows it or not, to grab Truth Seekers and get them side tracked with lies, including the biggest one of them all, that Jesus was just a man.

These are the lies that Chad and I believe Nathan espouses that you can find in his FAQ section on his website, Anabaptist Apologist (http://www.anabaptistapologist.com/p/faq.html):

1. Jesus is only A MAN.  We did an hour and a half broadcast ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvGudlgXaKU&t=1s  ) with scripture after scripture proving otherwise.  Nathan says he is going to refute that line by line.  I would love to see that.  I encourage all to watch his response and see how he accomplishes his mission.

2.  As mentioned above, Nathan also believes that all scriptures in the Torah, Prophets and the Gospels referencing animal sacrifice and the eating of animals are "planted" and that the animal sacrifice of the Torah was taken from paganism. This means the entire chapter on what constitutes clean and unclean meats from both land and sea would also be a lie (Leviticus 11).  

And this would mean that he believes that the miracles related to Jesus multiplying fish to be eaten by the people who listened to Him preach are also planted stories (Matthew 14:7, 15:34).  

And, this would mean that, after His resurrection, Jesus did not eat fish in the house with the apostles (Luke 24:42) or prepare fish for the apostles on the shoreline (John 21:9-13).  

Of course Chad and I know that Paul’s conversion story among many other things in Acts and his epistles (as well as 1 and 2 Peter) are fraudulent and/or planted, but how can so much flesh eating throughout every book of the Torah, Prophets and Gospels be planted, too?

What of the Passover story which has the Hebrews sacrifice lambs and place the blood on the doorposts and lintels of every house (Exodus 12)?  Is this also a fabrication?  How come Jesus celebrated the Passover if this is the case (Matthew 25:2)?  

And, If blood sacrifice of animals did not occur, why then would Jesus shed His own blood in propitiation, too? If blood is not required for sin, why did Jesus even allow Himself to die?  

Do you see how this vegetarian thing all unravels and how it would also effect how one would look at how our salvation was bought for us, by the shedding of Jesus' blood in replacement of animal sacrifice?

3. I think I'm gathering that Nathan believes in a type of soul "sleep" when we die until, I'm assuming, the Great White Throne judgment (Revelation 20:11).  He would need to clarify on the particulars, but if I'm reading this right it would mean that no one's spirit consciously goes to a heaven or hell like place in the interim. 

Just the parable Jesus told of the Rich man and Lazarus is enough to disprove Nathan's take (Luke 16:19-31).  

Jesus also told the man next to Him on the cross, "This day will you be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). 

And, Jesus sees Moses and Elijah on the "Mount of Transfiguration" (Matthew 17:1-8).  Did Moses just wake up for a few minutes to talk with Jesus?  How would he have known what was going on?  Also, Elijah never died, where did he go if he never died/went to sleep (2 Kings 2:10-11)? 

In Revelation 6:9-11 we see souls under the altar of the Father crying out to Him in white robes for judgment.  How could they do so if they were asleep?  

Revelation says, too, that hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:14).  How can that be if hell does not exist?

We could go on and on.  Jesus actually preached more on hell than He did heaven, warning people to keep the commandments to avoid going there, over and over again, where there shall be weaping and gnashing of teeth.

Regarding Hebrew Names for God Only, I could be wrong, but it also seems that as a group they also believe you must (or at least it is more honoring of the Father to) call Him by Hebrew names only, even though in Jesus' most trying moment in the Garden of Gethsemane He cried out to the Father in ARAMAIC, not Hebrew, saying ABBA, Father (Mark 14:6)!  

I've done several deep dives on this subject on both my channels and on the community page of JesusNotPaul/Acts which you can access here with the additional links: (https://www.youtube.com/@Jesusnotpaul-acts/community).  

Suffice to say, it was The Father who scattered the languages Himself in Genesis 11 and also caused the apostles/His people to speak in other tongues understood of all nations in Acts 2 (if you buy that story which I do, although much of Acts is fraudulent).  

In addition Revelation says there will be people in the future Kingdom of Heaven of every TONGUE (Revelation 5:9-10).  Were all those people from every tongue (over 6,000 in recorded history) required to call on the Father in Hebrew?!  This would have been impossible! And absurd!

The Father is perfectly at home in every language.  He does not have a home language.  His home is IN EACH ONE OF US (John 14) and He doesn't even require our words and limited vocabularies to know exactly what we mean and feel.  Still, we can speak to Him in our own languages.  This Hebrew only movement serves to make the Father appear distant and foreign, another ploy of the enemy to get us further away from our Creator.  

But back to Nathan's three points on his web page:  they are outright doctrinal lies he is espousing and trying to persuade others to believe them is a main component of his ministry.  I say that because, as he said, we did have a conversation or two and texted one another and he kept forcing the vegetarian issue, and though I sent him scripture after scripture, he just said those were planted scriptures, without proving they were.  I immediately broke off communication because he was being so pushy about the matter.  If he had just left it alone I might have continued our conversations.  But he couldn't.  

Nathan had to correct and make a proselyte out of me so that then his demons could have control over my mind, because this new belief Nathan was trying to persuade me to believe he would personally have to define for me because IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE ITSELF.  Nathan would become my new vegetarian guru.  You can't have a man between you and the Father, but that's what demonized false prophets always try to be.

This wasn't going to happen in my case, thank the Father, but others who haven't read the whole Bible for themselves and who are not praying daily and practicing spiritual warfare could be fooled by Nathan's cherry picking of the particular scriptures he can twist up to try to prove his points while he ignores the other scriptures which completely contradict his view. 

Again, if on these three points, Nathan is actually telling the truth, then we are the liars, and yes, we would have demons if we were lying about these matters.  If that were true it would not be slander for them to say so of us. But I frankly don't care if any of those guys say we have demons or not.  I think they're pretty much on the verge of loony-tunes to believe this hogwash they peddle about Jesus being 100% man and not God.  Sorry to say it that way, but I'm just stating exactly what I think.  

So yes, Nathan is a completely demonized false prophet.  He can get free if he hasn't sinned the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31).  I truly pray he will get free.

One more point about this idea of unifying even though we disagree.  There’s something sort of “sweet” about the idea, right?  And something also effeminate in an androgynously baphomet-like sense as well and is actually ecumenism, the same type the Catholics push.  So when Nathan tries to act all syrupy about unification he’s trying, as all liars do, to make you think he has real love. But that's not love, because lies are hate and are meant to put a wedge between you and the Father.  His sweetness is like putting arsenic in some nice chocolate.  It might taste good, but will still kill you deader than a hammer.

I wonder if that's why he puts off the hippie, John Lennon, 60's vibe coupled with the Hebrew roots country prepper look? 

The 60's hippies said they were all about love, too, but were they?  No, while they proclaimed peace and love, that move was drug-fueled, hyper-sexualized satanic gambit that destroyed many people and families and tipped the entire western world into the moral chaos we have today.

If you believe that Jesus is any less than He is, you, too, will be battered about and destroyed by all sorts of winds of lies and false doctrines.  You'll never have the spiritual authority to resist the enemy when lies rule your soul.

Is Nathan knowingly a plant sent in to disrupt the flock, meaning, does he have a plan he’s carrying out as directed by some witchcraft coven?  I've seen this to be the case on many occasions doing research of various leaders that have popped up over the years, but who knows in Nathan's case?  In the end it doesn't matter because the results are exactly the same: we have a false prophet preaching lies.

One could certainly surmise that demons themselves planted this whole group right in the middle of the Jesus' Words Only or JesusNotPaul/Acts truth movement to side track and send true Believers in Jesus down the broad road that leads to destruction.  Instead of following Paul, people end up following a false Jesus.

If, contrarily, we are the liars doctrinally speaking, they should be saying the same of us!

In summary, Nathan, Daniel and Doug Del Tondo speak many truths about Paul being a liar, but then lie themselves about JESUS Godhood! Do you see the bait and switch?  They are pied pipers who use a truth at the onset to draw you but then lead you away with multiple other false doctrines, right off the side of a cliff like a lemming plunging to your spiritual death.  

The fact that Daniel has any part in this is almost unbearable for me personally because we "pushed the plough" together for a while and I had such high hopes for his ministry.

But now, Chad and I warn any and every one to be careful of anyone who says Jesus is not God and to disassociate with them.

To speak an untruth about the Truth (who Jesus is) turns the whole thing into a lie.  You believing Jesus is only a man would be equal to believing what the Catholics and other false denominations do to counterfeit and replace Jesus with Satan himself.  This Bjorndahl group preaches another counterfeit Jesus.

If you believe we are the liars, by all means, disassociate with us.  Do not follow any one who lies in any way.  Even if a man says 99% truth, the second he tells a lie and doesn’t admit to it and repent, run.

We personally will not allow the Bjorndahl group to define who the Father and the Son are for us, nor allow Nathan to persuade us of his bogus vegetarian and soul sleep doctrines, nor will we be quiet when wolves come in amongst the flock to devour. 

I'm thinking back now to Nathan's first communication to me and I'm remembering it was all about joining the anti-Paul'ers together.  

I think it's possible that Nathan tricked Daniel by this idea of unity, that even though Daniel disagrees with Nathan on some matters he should still be “loving” and open to Nathan and allow Nathan on his platform to push the ball down the field with regard to preaching the truth about Paul.  But unfortunately, a liar will eventually get in his lies, and I wonder if Daniel actually believed the "Jesus is only a man" doctrine prior to him joining with Nathan and Doug Del Tondo?  

If Daniel did believe that, he certainly had me fooled in our conversations and podcasts.  He constantly talked about the importance of knowing who Jesus is and who the Father is.  I guess I didn't pick up on it, but I'm nearly 100% sure he never said such a thing to me in email, text, phone call or on the podcast.

I heard on this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgMV8-BxID4 ) Nathan say that both he and Daniel were going to join their channels together.  Daniel, by all means, reconsider, you are letting a snake into the garden the Father gave you to tend, watch that you don’t become one yourself.  If you're preaching the lie that Jesus is only a man, then you already have become one.  I want to believe you are not too far gone.  Please, Father, may Daniel not be too far gone, as well as Nathan and Doug Del Tondo. 

In fact, in the mighty name of Jesus, I pray that all involved, Nathan, Daniel and Doug Del Tondo, etc.,  will repent, and find the real Jesus. And I bind up every demonic spirit causing them to believe false doctrines right now in Jesus' name and ask, Father, that you would send your Holy Spirit of Truth to rectify all this, in the mighty name of Jesus I pray.  A-men.  

If they don't repent, no one's blood is on our hands, and I am warning every one else that these guys are false prophets trying to deter and waylay those of us who are figuring out to follow Jesus only and Not Paul or Acts.